Post by Brother Andrew on May 20, 2005 19:13:27 GMT -5
As-Salamu Alakum people please analyse carefully the first point i am going to set forth
ISSUE ONE
ARE A GREAT MAJORITY OF THIS UMMAH UPON ERROR?
One Claim of minority is that the great Muslim Majority are misguided, such Scholars such as Bilal Phillips notes in his book, fundamentals of tawheed, page 176 on the chapter of grave worship:
The graves of holy or saintly men among Hindus, Buddhists and Christians, have become shrines where rites of worship like prayer, sacrifice and pilgrimage are performed on a large scale. With the passage of time Muslim rulers AND THE MASSES strayed away from the fundamental principles of the Islamic creed and began to imitate the pagan practices of the non Islamic nations around them.
Another Scholar Abdul Rahman Ben Hammad al omar in his Saudi printed booklet ‘the religion of truth’ says on page 42 when discussing the group that will be delivered:
Although Muslims are great in number, yet only a FEW of them are true Muslims. There are 73 sects with hundreds of millions of followers; however only one of these sects are true Muslims
And if we read many saudi printed books we will see the same stuff over and over, for the sake of brevity I will just use these two for reference, unless more is called for.
These above statements have me scratching my head as the Prophet has said:
Indeed, the Children of Israel will split into 71 sects and this Ummah will have one more sect than them, all in the Fire except as-Sawaad al-A`zam (the great majority)
[Majma` az-Zawaa’id, V. 1, pg 179, al-Haakim in al-Mustadrak, V. 4, pg 430 al-Baihaqi in al-Madkhal, pgs. 34 and 35, Tarikh Baghdaad, V. 13, pgs. 307 and 311 and al-Faqih wal-Mutafaqqih, V. 1, pgs. 179 and 180. Also taken from al-I`tisaam, V. 2, pgs. 4 V. 2, pgs. 458+; Faid ul-Qaadir, V. 5, p. 347 and classed hasan]
also in another Hadith the Prophet has said :
Verily my Ummah, will not agree on error and the hand of Allah is upon the community; he who sets himself apart from it will be set apart in Hell Fire.
(Tirmidhi, Hadith No. 57, Mishkatul Masabeh this Hadith was also narrated by al-Hakim and At –tabari from Ibn Abbas and is Sahih consult Encyclopaedia of Islamic Doctrine volume one)
And in another Hadith the Prophet stated:
Allah has protected you from three things: that your Prophet should not invoke a curse on you and should all perish, that those who follow what is false should not prevail over those who follow the truth, and that you should not all agree in an error.
Sunan Abu Dawud Hadith No. 1987
Narrated AbuHurayrah Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) said: When a person says that people are ruined he is himself ruined. (Sahih Muslim,No. 1207)
Now clearly the Ahadith presented here contradicts the statements of the Scholars quoted, and these Ahadith indicate a great number of Muslims are upon guidance.
This is ISSUE ONE i invite people to disscuss the issue at hand, are these Scholars wrong or right in this belief of theirs that most of the Ummah are upon error?
all views are welcome
Wasalams
ISSUE ONE
ARE A GREAT MAJORITY OF THIS UMMAH UPON ERROR?
One Claim of minority is that the great Muslim Majority are misguided, such Scholars such as Bilal Phillips notes in his book, fundamentals of tawheed, page 176 on the chapter of grave worship:
The graves of holy or saintly men among Hindus, Buddhists and Christians, have become shrines where rites of worship like prayer, sacrifice and pilgrimage are performed on a large scale. With the passage of time Muslim rulers AND THE MASSES strayed away from the fundamental principles of the Islamic creed and began to imitate the pagan practices of the non Islamic nations around them.
Another Scholar Abdul Rahman Ben Hammad al omar in his Saudi printed booklet ‘the religion of truth’ says on page 42 when discussing the group that will be delivered:
Although Muslims are great in number, yet only a FEW of them are true Muslims. There are 73 sects with hundreds of millions of followers; however only one of these sects are true Muslims
And if we read many saudi printed books we will see the same stuff over and over, for the sake of brevity I will just use these two for reference, unless more is called for.
These above statements have me scratching my head as the Prophet
Indeed, the Children of Israel will split into 71 sects and this Ummah will have one more sect than them, all in the Fire except as-Sawaad al-A`zam (the great majority)
[Majma` az-Zawaa’id, V. 1, pg 179, al-Haakim in al-Mustadrak, V. 4, pg 430 al-Baihaqi in al-Madkhal, pgs. 34 and 35, Tarikh Baghdaad, V. 13, pgs. 307 and 311 and al-Faqih wal-Mutafaqqih, V. 1, pgs. 179 and 180. Also taken from al-I`tisaam, V. 2, pgs. 4 V. 2, pgs. 458+; Faid ul-Qaadir, V. 5, p. 347 and classed hasan]
also in another Hadith the Prophet
Verily my Ummah, will not agree on error and the hand of Allah is upon the community; he who sets himself apart from it will be set apart in Hell Fire.
(Tirmidhi, Hadith No. 57, Mishkatul Masabeh this Hadith was also narrated by al-Hakim and At –tabari from Ibn Abbas and is Sahih consult Encyclopaedia of Islamic Doctrine volume one)
And in another Hadith the Prophet
Allah has protected you from three things: that your Prophet should not invoke a curse on you and should all perish, that those who follow what is false should not prevail over those who follow the truth, and that you should not all agree in an error.
Sunan Abu Dawud Hadith No. 1987
Narrated AbuHurayrah Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) said: When a person says that people are ruined he is himself ruined. (Sahih Muslim,No. 1207)
Now clearly the Ahadith presented here contradicts the statements of the Scholars quoted, and these Ahadith indicate a great number of Muslims are upon guidance.
This is ISSUE ONE i invite people to disscuss the issue at hand, are these Scholars wrong or right in this belief of theirs that most of the Ummah are upon error?
all views are welcome
Wasalams
